this is not 20% of our job nowadays and I think we have other things that they don't. They only concern themselves with the events.


DM: Even CBJJO paying money, we see fighters giving more wroth to CBJJ. Do you think this a proving of more commitment of CBJJ with the BJJ?

MA: Well, it is impossible to please everybody. Always when our events finish, I stay a little concerned because not all of the competitors left the gymnasium very satisfied. But when I hear people speak well about our job I stay very happy because it demands a lot of us.


DM: Talking about good job, well did you hear what people talked in internet about the fight involving Mike Fowler x Daniel Moraes?

MA: Yes, I did.


DM: What can you state about that fight?

MA: I think this situation was the worst thing that happened in our event. Mansur (chief referee) and I didn't see the fight, but it is recorded and we're going to study this. Carlos Jr watched the fight and he said that Moraes' movement characterized an illegal one (the slam) and Moraes should be disqualified. We need to see if this was a clear mistake, and if it does, we'll warn the referee. We're working to develop a World system of referring fights, so we can't let gaps for big mistakes.

By what I saw on internet, they commented that the American fighter comes to Brazil to be robbed on the mat, and it let me sad. We're working hard and we know the effort these fighters do to come to Brazil and compete. Our intention is to develop the BJJ in the World, and if we have a foreign champion of Mundials in black-belt is very important. I'd be very happy if Fowler was champion; he's a good fighter and deserved that. If we have a lot of foreign champions this is a signal that our job is going well due to what we make outside Brazil. Another fact was they talked this tape of the match Fowler x Moraes would be lost, but this fight will be on the dvd of Mundials 2006 and everybody will watch it, we don't have the why to hide anything.


DM: Still at the Mundials, we had a lot of disqualifications this year. Do you think it will happen more often from now on?

MA: I remember three disqualifications: Carlos "Escorrega" Lemos, Daniel Moraes and Carlos Holanda and Dai Yoshioka in the same fight. I think it needs to happen and this is the future of our sport, no place for stalling. We need to attract more fans for this sport, so the matches need to have more dynamism. I think the fighters learned from this and we'll have more good matches now. This was not the first time we disqualified two fighters in same match, at Brasileiro 2006 in Roberto Tozzi and Cyborg (semifinals), both
were disqualified too, and after this they talked to us, please we'll fight now, don't disqualify us. Well, this was too late for this allegation.


DM: The main problem in that semifinal involving Holanda and Yoshioka was that both didn't understand they got disqualified, mainly Yoshioka who doesn't speak English or Portuguese either. Is there any work of CBJJ to make the things clear for fighters as
Yoshioka?

MA: We're elaborating a rules' dvd and it will launched in all languages, so fighter will not have problem on the moment of understanding the rules.


DM: Is there any chance of Mundials to be organized outside Brazil?

MA: I think this is hard to happen, because Mundials is important to other people here in Rio de Janeiro. I mean, we see a lot of academies replete of students from all corners of Brazil and the World, and we see how this is important to the fightwears. So I don't think a Mundials outside Brazil would be a good idea. We have the Pan American and we're going to organize an event in Japan, the Asiatic Cup, so Mundials is an event for Brazil.


DM: Also, I'd like to mention one thing to you. What about the State of Rio de Janeiro Jiu Jitsu Federation? I see this event not going very good in last years…

MA: The Rio de Janeiro Jiu Jitsu Federation is a good institution with an office and a very good program for their competitions. However I think that the famous fighters prefer to compete in other events, I think this is a natural way. The federation isn't weak- they have good black-belts competing, but not the famous ones.


DM: What can us expect from CBJJ in next years?

MA: We're a bit worried with the number of black-belts popping up all these years without much information about. We don't know where they're from and how they got graduated. So we're creating a World system of graduating to implement in all federations (regional
and international). The bjjer will have a time to be graduated to black-belt, he can't be graduated quickly and only a second dan black-belt can graduate a black-belt. We need to regulate the sport on this way, we need to make a World system in rules and in graduation; so the sport can increase each time more by the correct organization and planning of this.