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Shamrock VS Gracie

    Sat, 2006-03-11 19:29 — KibunInc

    Whats up, dont mess with MMA guys!!! This is the reason all BJJ should learn how to kick and punch as part of their arsenal. I love BJJ but you have to be more indepth then just on the ground. :cool:

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    lucifer_z28's picture

    they try but some people dont have the same potential. like no matter how long they train stand up theres a damn good chance they will never be like sakara, lidell,silva,silva and others but alot should def train more stand up.

    Ps maybe i misunderstood what your meaning

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    cshudson's picture

    Im a firm believer about needing stand up also, but dang i must haver ADHD i hate training it in the ground aspect is so much more rewarding in my opinion.

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    kibuninc refers to "in depth". kibuninc refers to burying them?

    hahahahaha!

    does anyone know...

    if mma is the goal, should one start grappling then move on to striking? striking then move on to grappling? just wondering if enough info exists to see a pattern in the fighters.

    examples that form question basis:

    wanderlei and anderson - striking to grappling.
    shamrock and paulson - grappling to striking.

    is there a difference?

    thanks.

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    KibunInc's picture

    Don't know if it matters which one comes first but both should be learned.

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    thanks to kibuninc. will probably do some muaythai or boxing or something soom too. seems cheaper to train also. fights are free to enter, uniforms are cheaper and schools cost less.

    thanks.

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    lucifer_z28's picture

    u picked some crappy grappeler to strikers
    arona, penn,hughes,monson just to name a few

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    lucifer_z28's picture

    arona penn hughes monson are better grappler to striker
    wasnt calling them crappy
    shamrock is good he is just old

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    any one of them is better than what can be dished out by this skull. just wondering if there is a pattern indicating greater success by one type of fighter or the other.

    thanks.

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    lucifer_z28's picture

    not really theres top guys that come from both striking and grappling backgrounds

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    thanks to luciferz28 for the info. wasn't sure if there was a major difference. on thing seems clear though....

    being a champion level grappler or champion level kickboxer seems to be a drawback when seeking to be an mma fighter.

    for example, most abu dhabi champs suck at mma and most muaythai champs also suck at mma.

    wondering.... is this because they refuse to give up thier specialty when seeking this path? or is it because they recieve too little training in the other aspect (striking or grappling) before they enter the ring (mma)?

    thanks.

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    silent assassin's picture

    lorenzodamarith wrote:
    hello,

    thanks to luciferz28 for the info. wasn't sure if there was a major difference. on thing seems clear though....

    being a champion level grappler or champion level kickboxer seems to be a drawback when seeking to be an mma fighter.

    for example, most abu dhabi champs suck at mma and most muaythai champs also suck at mma.

    wondering.... is this because they refuse to give up thier specialty when seeking this path? or is it because they recieve too little training in the other aspect (striking or grappling) before they enter the ring (mma)?

    thanks.

    IMO it's probably a little bit of both.

    If someone is a quick study/picks things up quickly & is blessed with natural ability (speed, strength, good instincts, etc...) I don't think that it matters which discipline came first (ground/stand-up). One thing that will usually always hold true though is that when a fighter is in the trenches he will revert to his roots (if he is originally a grappler or stand-up fighter).

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    thanks to silentassassin. this makes sense. now that you mention it, can think of several examples of this happening.

    thanks.

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