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an interesting tidbit about brazilians

    Tue, 2007-01-16 22:08 — lorenzodamarith

    hello,

    appartently, many (possibly most of) bjj players in brazil started as judo guys. it seems they study judo as kids and then migrate to bjj. had no idea.

    anyone have an opinion about the "ideal skill progression" (start with this system, move on to this one, so on, so on)?

    judo to bjj seems natural. any other combinations really good? cambo seems to have a bit of everything, but not real clear on how they progress thier students through the system.

    thoughts? comments?

    thanks.

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    Wed, 2007-01-17 10:29 — Subdude
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    lorenzodamarith wrote:
    hello,

    appartently, many (possibly most of) bjj players in brazil started as judo guys. it seems they study judo as kids and then migrate to bjj. had no idea.

    anyone have an opinion about the "ideal skill progression" (start with this system, move on to this one, so on, so on)?

    judo to bjj seems natural. any other combinations really good? cambo seems to have a bit of everything, but not real clear on how they progress thier students through the system.

    thoughts? comments?

    thanks.

    This would include Carlos Gracie & Helio Gracie. That's what Maeda taught to them originally.

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    Wed, 2007-01-17 13:00 — lorenzodamarith
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    hello,

    thanks to subdude!! yes. this is what this thread is about. it goes all the way back.

    and yes, fighters like karoparisyan do judo in mma all the time. so did franktrigg.

    hope this helps.

    thanks.

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    Wed, 2007-01-17 13:50 — lucifer_z28
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    he taught them a form of judo that was just developing in japan(cant remember name) it was all ground work, combined with catch wrestling and reg judo Ps he only taught Carlos

    yes it isnt un common for lil brazillians to start in judo but not all do some start in jj somedont do ne thing till theyre older also alot of bjj places dont really teach real lil kids many subs so its basically judo
    later just my 2 cents

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    Wed, 2007-01-17 13:54 — Anonymous
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    Were have you been???

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    Wed, 2007-01-17 14:37 — lorenzodamarith
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    hello,

    wow, luciferz28!!!! have not seen you in an age!!!! whats goin on????

    how was your holiday and new year and stuff? hope things are going well for you. are you back?

    rock on freeky bro!!!!!

    thanks.

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    Thu, 2007-01-18 00:06 — Gerald Rhoades
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    oh yeah, i forgot about karo parisyan...thanks

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    Fri, 2007-01-19 12:40 — lucifer_z28
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    research alot and i train under a gracie barra black belt from brazil
    ive been busy school work and bjj

    ps everyone trains judo or greco or straight wrestling it all gets the job done
    :cool:

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    Fri, 2007-01-19 20:36 — silent assassin
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    lucifer_z28 wrote:
    research alot and i train under a gracie barra black belt from brazil
    ive been busy school work and bjj

    ps everyone trains judo or greco or straight wrestling it all gets the job done
    :cool:

    Which Gracie Barra blackbelt do u train under?

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    Sun, 2007-01-21 17:50 — lorenzodamarith
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    hello,

    luciferz28? do you train AT graciebarra, or somewhere else with a graciebarra "graduate"?

    just wondering.

    thanks.

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    Mon, 2007-01-22 12:24 — lucifer_z28
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    i train under marcos barros not at graciebarra but will have the privelledge this summer when i go to graciecamp

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    Tue, 2007-01-23 19:46 — Shaolin Bushido
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    lucifer_z28 wrote:
    i train under marcos barros not at graciebarra but will have the privelledge this summer when i go to graciecamp

    How much you reckon the whole trip will cost? airfare, camp enrollment, etc ...

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    Wed, 2007-01-24 13:04 — Shaolin Bushido
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    I want to go eventuqally but I've got a date in Thailand first. If not this year, the next. I'll get to Brazil but I'll have to save longer and hope for a raise or two in the meantimes.

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    Wed, 2007-01-24 17:11 — lorenzodamarith
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    hello,

    thailand might be fun too. shaolinbushido is going to a camp? ripper!!!

    if shaolinbushido is not killed or maimed, should be fun.

    thanks.

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    Thu, 2007-01-25 12:59 — lucifer_z28
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    thailand would be really cool but i havent trained much MT

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    Fri, 2007-01-26 15:25 — lorenzodamarith
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    hello,

    speaking of tidbits about brazilians, are thier muaythai camps similar to those in thailand? do they operate the same way?

    thanks.

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    Tue, 2007-01-23 21:00 — lorenzodamarith
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    hello,

    hahahaha!!! is shaolinbushido planning on going too? we may have a whole crowd going!!!

    now that would be highly interesting.

    thanks.

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    Wed, 2007-01-24 12:40 — lucifer_z28
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    alot
    plane arounnd 1k
    room board training $80 a day
    spending money
    training at gracie barra in brazil priceless:)

    im staying for 3-4 weeks it will probably cost like 5 k ill go this summer when school is out if ne one knows much about traveling to brazil tips bout gettin visas and what not would be apprecciated u can pm me

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    Mon, 2007-01-22 18:04 — lorenzodamarith
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    hello,

    greetings to luciferz28!!!! going to graciecamp seems like it would be fun!!!

    let us know when you're going and how it goes when you get there!!!

    thanks.

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    Tue, 2007-01-23 12:37 — lucifer_z28
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    this summer in june or july for probably 3 weeks:cool:

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    Tue, 2007-01-23 17:07 — lorenzodamarith
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    hello,

    is it true that at the camp it is all jiujitsu all day? causes one to wonder how much a body can take!!! hahahaha!!! sounds like a good deal. is it expensive? open to foreigners (those not in brazil already)? tried looking it up and found references to it, but no website for it. got a link?

    thanks.

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    Fri, 2007-01-19 13:28 — Tulio Perrone
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    I saw a clip of Dan Camarillo performing a perfect osoto-gari in an mma match.

    Judo in Brazil is a very common sport for little kids. So it's common that a lot of people have done it before, not just bjj guys. I know, this is getting off the topic, sorry.

    Same goes for Japanese fighters, chances are you're gonna find swimmers, basebal players, ballet dancers etc that did judo before :)

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    Thu, 2007-01-18 02:35 — lorenzodamarith
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    hello,

    it has also been said that many japanese fighters also have judo lurking in thier backgrounds. genkisudo, hayatosakurai, takanorigomi come to mind, though this is heresay. not familiar with the biographies of most fighters.

    thanks.

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    Wed, 2007-01-17 08:03 — Gerald Rhoades
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    yeah the judo to bjj progression seems logical...ive heard that its very useful to know judo....
    have you guys seen in MMA people using judo throws??

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    Wed, 2007-01-17 08:05 — Anonymous
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    Ahhhh hello...the term "stand up" is JUDO.....:rolleyes:

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    Wed, 2007-01-17 09:03 — Gerald Rhoades
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    haha
    but i mean usually everybody goes for the double leg takedown and others, but does anybody ever go for osoto gari and things like this??

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