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The latest on Cimins. He threatens Bud Cup

    Tue, 2007-01-23 13:40 — BJJ Police

    This is the latest on Cimins. Some should probably appologize to me. Am I good or am I good. I wonder how I saw this coming.

    [quote author=slapnuts link=topic=69546.msg1049717#msg1049717 date=1169587150]
    This past weekend, as many of you know, was the 2007 Bud World Cup in North Carolina. While many promoters and supporters of the sport, such as Scotty and Gumby from OTM, Rafael Lovato Jr. from the Southwest Championships, Ed Clay from Gameness, Andrew Smith from U.S. Grappling, and Ryan Gregg from WGG paid their own way to fly in from all over the country, one Brian Cimins decided to instead play a game power, greed, and coercion. A game he is all too familar and comfortable with.

    Instead of showing the same gratitude and support that the people above and many others did for Joe Hurst's efforts in helping jiu-jitsu gain corporate exposure, while growing the sport throughout the southeast, Cimins said he would only go to the Bud Cup if he and his wife were both flown both ways and put up in a hotel the entire weekend (this is money that could easily be used to the pay pro fighters). Furthermore, he demanded that he should be provided with a free merchandising booth the entire weekend (a service he charges vendors $800+ for a booth at his shows). He then made it clear that if these requirements were not met, he would kick the Bud World Cup off the 2007 Rated circuit, which happens to be an entity created by him to increase the bottomline to all of his GQ shows, that also lowers the point ratings for other tournaments such as the Bud Cup that are not run by him.

    In the huge thread that was started by pin-pointing Cimins' embarassing behavior and attacks on the WGG, it was mentioned that the founders of "Rated" were sick of Cimins and his scandalous ways. This can be seen in the 12th point stated, which is reposted below. Now that the Bud Cups are RANKED events through MMA.tv and WGG shows have also disassociated themself from Rated, the only thing worth saying is that the demise of Rated was not a premonition. It was an educated guess based on the nature of unscrupulous business ethics. I hope Cimins and his Rated a.k.a. "GQ point system to determine the best grappler in GQ events" was really worth all of his lies, threats, and deceit.

    12) On Rated’s “What is Rated” section, it claims the following:

    RATED, The Official World Grappling Ratings, an effort and project lead and sponsored by Scott Nelson and Alan Marques (OnTheMat.com) and some of the country’s best promoters including: Brian Cimins (Grapplers Quest), Ed Clay (Music City Grappling Championships, GrapplerGear.com and Gameness), Rafael Lovato, Jr. (Southwest Championships), Travis Tooke (Ground Control Texas), Joe Hurst (Budweiser World Cup), Riccardo Ammendolia (Ontario Submission Wrestling Invitational), Andrew Smith (WKA/U.S. Grappling-Joe Priole) plus many more on the way. (grapplingleague.com)

    -Now that about 90% of these people and organizations are disassociating themselves from Brian and Rated... does that mean Rated is now nothing more than a point system from Brian and the GQ?

    http://www.nhbgear.com/forum/index.php/topic,68766.msg1037225.html#msg1037225

    KibunInc's picture

    Interesting. I will talk to Scotty about this and see what is going on. :cool:

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    bjjpolice, now this... this is something worth thinking about. thank you. certainly wish the situation were different, but at least now, we (the crowd) have an idea of what is being discussed.

    do you have any information on the fate of grapplers quest? will the events still take place (under the gq name or another name)?

    that said, wanting to be flown out and such, not so farfetched. briancimins may have had other things among which he may have been dividing his time. such a consideration may have been a necessary evil. mind you, not taking his side, just illustrating that it is possible that there may be more going on than we get to see.

    on thing to keep in mind, is grappling and mma are a business (now a big business) and a lot of parties are going to try to take as big a slice as possible. the big fish will always throw thier wieght around, and the little fish will always complain about it.

    briancimins may be an example of a big fish (a growing fish) and the others may be examples of little fish (or not growing as quickly fish). this may have something to do with percieved injustices.

    naturally, it is a shame to contemplate the doom of an organization that has helped build the sport, but if it becomes necessary, then the sport as a whole will adapt. it always has.

    bjjpolice, try not to let it all get to you. if you are a competitor, then just compete where you can and enjoy it. if you have some financial interest in all this, then please, for the fighters, try to handle it delicately and remember that it is them we all support here.

    now that you have posted this thread, you can be sure that plenty of people will look into this and ask questions. hopefully, it will all work out for the fighters and the fans.

    bjjpolice? are we of one mind on this? let us all know!!!

    thanks.

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    Shaolin Bushido's picture

    This issue is one that is being debated all over the internet wherever you find tourney participants and Jiu Jitsu enthusiasts. It's all over JiuJitsugear and (I think) Bjj police is prolly well aware of it. It is interesting and I for one enjoy being informed of bullshit that's afoot rather than believing ignorantly that everything's hunky dory.

    I have to read more before I comment though. I've met Brian and his wife and they seemed like nice folk. Prior to this I'd only heard good things about him.

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    standing with shaolinbushido on this one. this is one of the reasons for imploring bjjpolice and bryansimmons/braincimins to use some discretion here. there is always more than one side of a story.

    and agreed, shaolinbushido... would much rather be informed when "things" are afoot than naively think everything is "hunky dory".

    thanks.

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    KibunInc's picture

    Info only I have asked around it does appear that the Brian Cimins is causing some problems in the tournament JJ world.

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    kibuninc? shaolinbushido? do you think he has the "wieght" to cause actual problems, or just inconveniences. just curious, because grapplers quest tournaments are the ones being looked at to compete in. not enough money to travel to the east coast to roll. if grapplers quest goes the way of the dodo, what will be left on the west coast?

    thanks

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    KibunInc's picture

    He is in charge of Grapplers Quest so if he goes away then smaller orginizations will raise up. He is starting trouble but he may end up shooting himself in the foot with all of his problems. We will have to wait and see.

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    thanks to kibuninc. what is the nature of this trouble? just a butt? or really causing problems? of what sort? just wondering. hope it doesn't become widespread.

    thanks.

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    KibunInc's picture

    MY understanding is that if you do not pay him he will not give your tournament rankings on the circuit.

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    Shaolin Bushido's picture

    There are way too many players out there just waiting on an opportunity and his power grab just may be what they are looking for. If it turns out he's a greedy, vindictive bastard I hope to see him entereing tournaments the same way I do .... after paying admission.

    I'm sure someone will step in and hold tournies and stuff and most likely it will be in your region LSD. In the US, Cali is the "mecca" or BJJ/grappliing. It's us east coast folks who may suffer but I don't even think we'll have long before Grappler's Quest is a bad memory. I mean, if the worst is true.

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    Anonymous's picture

    I fear for my saftey at GQ.....

    to bad ive already been robbed of my money before I even walk in the door......80 pre registration....AND THATS ONLINE 20% OFF! :eek:

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    this is something to think about. thanks to everyone.

    thanks.

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    ttt? what is this?

    thanks.

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    Anonymous's picture

    to the top

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    thanks to underdog for the info. have seen that several times. now those threads make more sense.

    thanks

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    KibunInc's picture

    Its cool I never knew what ttt ment either. :D

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    well, as rhadiferguson always says.... "the more you know, the more you grow.....".

    kibuninc, we just grew, didn't we?

    thanks.

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

    this was funny timing!!!! thanks to scotty for that!!!

    thanks

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    jmdc's picture

    I hate when rumors like this get started! But makes for good reading :p

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    rumors suck. however, it still poses an interesting scenario. guess people enjoy "food for thought" sorts of things.

    thanks.

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    Marty Post's picture

    Grapplers-Quest wrote:
    Scotty, thanks for clearing that up. I suggest everyone support ALL tournaments and judge for yourself whether or not you want to continue to support those shows. As for those people who are desperately trying to bring us down - we will continue to pray for you.

    Dude no F ing praying around here. Take that bible thumping back to your other forum. And take your Drama too!

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    KibunInc's picture

    Marty Post wrote:
    Dude no F ing praying around here. Take that bible thumping back to your other forum. And take your Drama too!

    Hey watch out or I will give you a blessing. I should psot a photo of my back up here. I have a very large crucifix which covers my entire back tattooed on me.

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    KibunInc's picture

    Gumby wrote:
    Is that Kibun or Kimo?

    Thats cool we have the same tattoo and so does Todd Medina. My thorns are a little different though.

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    KibunInc's picture

    I like Kimoinc as a name. Myself and Todd Medina have large crucifixs on our backs like Kimo does. I also have the arch angelo Michael slaying the devel on my right leg, my wife as an angel on my left leg, and in a couple of weeks the Lord's prayer written in Aramaic on my right rib cage.

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    never thought about getting tattoos. too chicken. bwok bwok!!!

    hahahahahahaha!!!

    thanks.

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    hahahahahahahaha!!! nothing angers people like threatening to bless them!!!

    hey gumby, perhaps we might call him kimoinc, now? hahahaha!!

    agreed kibuninc, rebuke them with the might of your tatoo!!!

    thanks.

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    dinocastle's picture

    lmfao! that's funny man!! sounds like you have everything you need for a holy war!! good for you!!

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    kneel down ye sinners, to streetwise religion, greed's been crowned the king....

    motley crue...

    thanks.

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    dinocastle's picture

    wow, listen to you lorenzo, all intellectual and stuff. you're a funny guy too. known you for a long time now and didn't realize your wit is this quick. sounds like your run of the mill he said she said bs. if grapplers quest disapears, oh well. if it doesn't, great. no worries either way, right. hadn't heard of brian before. thought by the title that he might be some new competitor on the scene "threatening the bud cup". lol.

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    ah dino, dino, dino... again with the "you're so serious" stuff. yeah, a sense of humor goes a long way here. as far as the contoversy, just ignore it. there are actual threads and articles about the bud cup around here somewhere, you might be happier with one of those.

    if serious isn't your gig, check out the tankabbot romoshops!! you'll get a kick out of those. they're funny.

    thanks.

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    robknight's picture

    what are romoshops? like "romo"? tank abbot huh? is that somewhere around here? sounds funny.

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    greetings to grapplersquest. seems fair enough. have never been in a tournament yet, but have attended a few (gq, naga, nanka). seems mostly good, but things do happen. guess we will see.

    thanks.

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    Anonymous's picture

    Brian you need any help this weekend? im still gonna go but there is no way im compeating with the way my ribs are now.

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    underdog? what happened to you? how soon will you be back in action? hope you feel better soon!

    thanks.

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    greetings to manny/grapplersquest. will definitely have to pay attention to those job postings. hope your event goes well.

    thanks.

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    BJJ Police's picture

    Thank you everybody for your attention to this matter. Yes rumors and circumstances. Circumstances don't lie. People do.

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    well, bjjpolice, if it is only rumors, the crowd here will "suss" it out. if it is true (or partly true) the crowd here will figure it out.

    hopefully, if there really is a problem, it was temporary (circumstance) and will just disappear with time. if permanent, then the others had it right in that some other organization will evolve and take over.

    you seem concerned about the overall quality of the events in the grappling/mma community at large and this is a good thing. maybe the answer would be as simple as a few more volunteers at each event.

    what do you think?

    thanks.

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    Anonymous's picture

    One broken and on slipped rib. im out for a long time.

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    ouch!!! well, hope you got a suitable revenge.... yes? oh wait, you are underdog... of course you got even!!! hahahaha!!! forgot who we are dealing with!!!

    thanks.

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    Anonymous's picture

    my nickname isnt "beasta" for nothing....lol

    i feel bad.....the person who did it to me, i stayed at there house in DC for a seminar the next day.

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    lorenzodamarith's picture

    hello,

    of course... the rotting corpse must have stunk.....

    hahahahahahahahaha!!!!

    thanks.

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    Anonymous's picture

    BJJ Police, whats your username on the JJPG/NHB forum? PM me.

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